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This article was written by AzurePhoenix on 2011-10-15 under Religion & Our Mind.
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Well a religious group in my country(christian) is waitting for its lord and savior jesus christ tomorrow on some hill, they have said if he does not come they will drink a poison to kill themselves.
Obviously many kids will die since its religious, cause no one is gonna leave their kids behind.
This is my biggest issue, the death of children. I mean any life lost sucks a lot, but adults are grown and logical people so they will suffer for their choices, but kids don't have choices.
Out of 200 people at the most half are kids.. This is not the first time nor the last the christian religion has inspired such pain and horror.
Yes I am ranting. Christianity was made to control the peasants to work hard and not want much. Just think about it for a second. It tells you to not want money, to work hard for yourself to get into heaven, to not be mean and do violent crimes. What does that mean to the king?
It means you have men and women who will be loyal to you till the death, who will not fight much if you give them a small amount of money, who will not kill and cause damage to themselves. That right there will make a very powerful country, religion and belief give people such strength. And that is exactly what has happened. God led the christians to enslave and kill of entire civilizations for not believing in the god they want them to believe.
Basically a simple example is like having a smart teacher, who raped, killed and has done all the horrors imaginable and unimaginable teach your kids. Would you believe them if they told you your god is wrong and that you will suffer in all of eternity for not believing in it? Any logical person will obviously say no and run away. The indians did, and they got killed of entirely, erased off the face of the earth.
The christian religion has a good message but its past is horrible if you know it. Will you turn a blind eye or see logic?
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By: xthisxisxgonnaxhurtx - 2011-12-03 19:33:46
this is also why i hate my religion, my memer (grandma) is a belive in god and she tells me such things as "god is the best help that you can find, just ask him, and he will answer you" or she'll talk low about others who don't believe in god, she treats me like crap because i'm bi and like a girl, sure i lost my religion but that has no reason for god to hate me, all i see when i go to church now is people forcing me to be a 'sister'... and so thats why i ran away ;D lol
this is also why i hate my religion, my memer (grandma) is a belive in god and she tells me such things as "god is the best help that you can find, just ask him, and he will answer you" or she'll talk low about others who don't believe in god, she treats me like crap because i'm bi and like a girl, sure i lost my religion but that has no reason for god to hate me, all i see when i go to church now is people forcing me to be a 'sister'... and so thats why i ran away ;D lol
By: Christian4802 - 2011-11-22 03:03:30
Hey dubass I'm Christian and I'm not going to "jump out a window or drink poison just because my god told me to " and You wont see me on a holy hill for about twenty years.
Hey dubass I'm Christian and I'm not going to "jump out a window or drink poison just because my god told me to " and You wont see me on a holy hill for about twenty years.
By: annihilationPOWERtelekinesis - 2011-11-07 19:39:07
i am christian, other christians are doing what god told them is not to kill themselfs, and have a mentioned they are being very PERVETED and IN TO OTHERS BUSINESS, they just think everything is bad, god loves you, just because you hate something doesn't mean god does too, he said he hated the homos but thats it... i mean people make me hate my religon...
i am christian, other christians are doing what god told them is not to kill themselfs, and have a mentioned they are being very PERVETED and IN TO OTHERS BUSINESS, they just think everything is bad, god loves you, just because you hate something doesn't mean god does too, he said he hated the homos but thats it... i mean people make me hate my religon...
By: jasonjk1
all religions can be manipulated to control people, but it isn't the religions fault it is the manipulator's.
all religions can be manipulated to control people, but it isn't the religions fault it is the manipulator's.
By: shade000
@PyrastelleAkima:
Actually, those WERE muslims, following the commands in the Qu'ran to slay infidels.
They belonged to the so-called "extremist" side, however.
@PyrastelleAkima:
Actually, those WERE muslims, following the commands in the Qu'ran to slay infidels.
They belonged to the so-called "extremist" side, however.
By: AzurePhoenix
Umad and fgopl please read everything before saying things that have been said before and explained.
Umad and fgopl please read everything before saying things that have been said before and explained.
By: shadowsage
good point blackestnight. like my uncle says "hear everything, believe nothing" i can't wrap my mind around why people do things like this for relgion.
good point blackestnight. like my uncle says "hear everything, believe nothing" i can't wrap my mind around why people do things like this for relgion.
By: Blackestnight
Religion is not the problem. I myself am a Christian and I believe that most religions try to bring peace to people. The hate that people have always been there, and if not for religion people would use another excuse to condone their evil. No religion is free from the stains of blood, the disciples of them are to blame. Think about it, the KKK are Christians, the al Quaeda are Muslims. Jews, Hindus, Buddhist AND Muslims still fight in the Middle East/India region. In fact, the atheists have Comunism on their shoulders. My point is, don't hate the type of cake (religion) for tasting bad, because somewhere else there is an amazing version that someone did by getting the recipe right (by following their religion without letting petty differences get in the way). That's all I have to say on the matter.
Religion is not the problem. I myself am a Christian and I believe that most religions try to bring peace to people. The hate that people have always been there, and if not for religion people would use another excuse to condone their evil. No religion is free from the stains of blood, the disciples of them are to blame. Think about it, the KKK are Christians, the al Quaeda are Muslims. Jews, Hindus, Buddhist AND Muslims still fight in the Middle East/India region. In fact, the atheists have Comunism on their shoulders. My point is, don't hate the type of cake (religion) for tasting bad, because somewhere else there is an amazing version that someone did by getting the recipe right (by following their religion without letting petty differences get in the way). That's all I have to say on the matter.
By: fgopl
@pyra: if u look down, you will see that I said jihadists in one of those posts. Technically, they were muslims, but muslims tryin to disgrace their honorable religion.
@pyra: if u look down, you will see that I said jihadists in one of those posts. Technically, they were muslims, but muslims tryin to disgrace their honorable religion.
By: PyrastelleAkima
Fgopl, Muslims did not "do 9/11" Crazy Terrosists did, who have a sick twisted view on the real religion, therefore are just insane radicals, do not make that mistake >:l. -.- I feel sad that they would do such a thing.....Makes no sense, especially when they are briniging their children into it. -.- I really don't like that.
Fgopl, Muslims did not "do 9/11" Crazy Terrosists did, who have a sick twisted view on the real religion, therefore are just insane radicals, do not make that mistake >:l. -.- I feel sad that they would do such a thing.....Makes no sense, especially when they are briniging their children into it. -.- I really don't like that.
By: fgopl
The atheists, I have no problem with them. I just respect the beliefs of others and move on. However, just because your religion has not done killings yet, don't expect it to always remain that way.
The atheists, I have no problem with them. I just respect the beliefs of others and move on. However, just because your religion has not done killings yet, don't expect it to always remain that way.
By: fgopl
Also, saying that christianity did the most harm is wrong. The muslims did 9/11 and had civil wars in india and pakistan before the split. The hindus killed the muslims during these times. Buddhists and hindus never stop fighting in sri lanka. The jews killed the egyptians by parting water, although that wasn't really that bad. :3
A message to all atheists:
Instead of throwing the grenade at the christians, drop the nuke on all religion. Not to be taken seriously though. NOT a radical.
Also, saying that christianity did the most harm is wrong. The muslims did 9/11 and had civil wars in india and pakistan before the split. The hindus killed the muslims during these times. Buddhists and hindus never stop fighting in sri lanka. The jews killed the egyptians by parting water, although that wasn't really that bad. :3
A message to all atheists:
Instead of throwing the grenade at the christians, drop the nuke on all religion. Not to be taken seriously though. NOT a radical.
By: fgopl
@azure: I never said that mine was right. I said that is not wrong. You can't say that christianity did all that, because that is accusing every christian of killing natives and et cetera. I did not come to argue. You have the right to your own beliefs, phoenix, but you have no right to blanket others.
@azure: I never said that mine was right. I said that is not wrong. You can't say that christianity did all that, because that is accusing every christian of killing natives and et cetera. I did not come to argue. You have the right to your own beliefs, phoenix, but you have no right to blanket others.
By: UMADBRO
Also, the religion itself isn't horrible-- some people feel safe with it, and if they feel safe, more power to them.
Its people who interpret the majority of it to be more than metaphorical that do damage. Christianity isn't the sole perpetrator either. There have been several religions that participate in sacrificial offerings, holy wars, as well as the goal to convert people to gain more members.
Also, the religion itself isn't horrible-- some people feel safe with it, and if they feel safe, more power to them.
Its people who interpret the majority of it to be more than metaphorical that do damage. Christianity isn't the sole perpetrator either. There have been several religions that participate in sacrificial offerings, holy wars, as well as the goal to convert people to gain more members.
By: UMADBRO
Uhhh, your rant is cool and all, but I just want to point something out:
The Native Americans didn't get wiped out. My family is Native American, lol. Yeah, the settlers pulled a dick move on us, but we're still here.
Uhhh, your rant is cool and all, but I just want to point something out:
The Native Americans didn't get wiped out. My family is Native American, lol. Yeah, the settlers pulled a dick move on us, but we're still here.
By: AzurePhoenix
I live by a motto.
There are a million paths to god not just one. If there was only one than that would be one cruel god..
I live by a motto.
There are a million paths to god not just one. If there was only one than that would be one cruel god..
By: AzurePhoenix
I never said all christians were anything bad, I merely am speaking of christianity because it caused the most harm and because its still doing all these terrible things from peoples warped imaging on what it really is, so please read everything before commenting.
I also am not an atheist, I used to be christian till I actually read up on it.
Why would something holy have a greater history of harm than good? It wasn't for me so I backed out of it. Just like Royce said, to follow the morals christianity tells you to have.
Religion helps us feel safe and gives us the false feeling we know everything. No one knows the true religion, every single religion not yours thinks YOU are wrong, so what exactly makes you think yours is right?
I never said all christians were anything bad, I merely am speaking of christianity because it caused the most harm and because its still doing all these terrible things from peoples warped imaging on what it really is, so please read everything before commenting.
I also am not an atheist, I used to be christian till I actually read up on it.
Why would something holy have a greater history of harm than good? It wasn't for me so I backed out of it. Just like Royce said, to follow the morals christianity tells you to have.
Religion helps us feel safe and gives us the false feeling we know everything. No one knows the true religion, every single religion not yours thinks YOU are wrong, so what exactly makes you think yours is right?
By: fgopl
Those killings are not from god. The killers were yahoos trying to be all, I'm a revisionist friar, and ruined our appearance.
Those killings are not from god. The killers were yahoos trying to be all, I'm a revisionist friar, and ruined our appearance.
By: fgopl
So as shadow says, it is a double edged sword, but you can say it was both edges that killed the man, hm?
So as shadow says, it is a double edged sword, but you can say it was both edges that killed the man, hm?
By: fgopl
Christians have done nasty things in the past, but so have the Muslims (not all, just the jihadists on 9/11), the Jews killed Jesus and anyone who sought reform. The christian killings were from the Catholic church. My mother is catholic, but my dad is anglican, so we are at an anglican church. Thing is, you can't blanket Christianity as all being the same beliefs. There are different kinds of Jews and Muslims too, and all you did by blaming ALL christianity (by doing that, you include me, my family, the innocent kids who don't know what's going on, pope benedict, my anglican priest, my parish, all the christians on this site, most of my friends, all of my teachers except one, barack obama, joe biden, the churchgoers down the street, my neighbors, and mother theresa) was show ignorance and hatred. Just because you are an atheist does not classify all christians and pure b******. You need to respect the beliefs of others, and start attempt to initiate serious religious debate... Unless, it was a joke like the one bbdeathspark and I had yesterday.
Christians have done nasty things in the past, but so have the Muslims (not all, just the jihadists on 9/11), the Jews killed Jesus and anyone who sought reform. The christian killings were from the Catholic church. My mother is catholic, but my dad is anglican, so we are at an anglican church. Thing is, you can't blanket Christianity as all being the same beliefs. There are different kinds of Jews and Muslims too, and all you did by blaming ALL christianity (by doing that, you include me, my family, the innocent kids who don't know what's going on, pope benedict, my anglican priest, my parish, all the christians on this site, most of my friends, all of my teachers except one, barack obama, joe biden, the churchgoers down the street, my neighbors, and mother theresa) was show ignorance and hatred. Just because you are an atheist does not classify all christians and pure b******. You need to respect the beliefs of others, and start attempt to initiate serious religious debate... Unless, it was a joke like the one bbdeathspark and I had yesterday.
By: fgopl
Okay, you have the wrong idea. It is not Christianity's fault. It is not God's fault (yes, he really is real). Who can we attribute this to? The adults.
Apparently, the priest and these adults are crazy, and taught their children this.
You cannot blame the man's beliefs; only the man himself.
Okay, you have the wrong idea. It is not Christianity's fault. It is not God's fault (yes, he really is real). Who can we attribute this to? The adults.
Apparently, the priest and these adults are crazy, and taught their children this.
You cannot blame the man's beliefs; only the man himself.
By: shadowsage
lets face it , relgion is and can be a double edged sword. it can inspire people to do great things and the greatest attrocities we've ever seen. with as many versions of the Bible that are out its hard to believe people can stay sane reading them...
lets face it , relgion is and can be a double edged sword. it can inspire people to do great things and the greatest attrocities we've ever seen. with as many versions of the Bible that are out its hard to believe people can stay sane reading them...
By: NightmareApocalypse
The Bible has been altered so many times by man that the meaning of it has changed completely.
I agree with Jarrod and Azure.
The Bible has been altered so many times by man that the meaning of it has changed completely.
I agree with Jarrod and Azure.
By: jaroddz14
u know i read the last paragraph and two and im gonna say this, first musluum and islamic people killed off cultures, catholic people killed the indisn, and they did not do it for god, THROUGHOUT HISTORY MAN HAS KILLED IN GODS NAME FOR HIS OWN SELFISH DESIRES! Which is horrible, and also ALOT OF PEOPLE LISTEN TO WHAT EVERYONE SAYS WITHOUT THINKING, WICH IS PROBABLY THESE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO KILL THEMSELVES.
also once again
CHRISTIANITY ISNT EVIL, THE TEXT HAS BEEN ALTERED, ACTUALLY ALOT OF THE VERSIONS HAVE DIFFERENT CHAPTORS, AND WELL MAN CHANGES WORDS FOR STUFF THAT SUITS THERE NEEDS, MAN COULD CONTROL PEOPLE WITH RELIGIONN LIKE WE DO WITH MUSIC AND TV NOW. B UT GOD DIDNT DO THIS WHO DID MAN
ULTIMATELY YOU NEED TO BLAME WHO
MAN!
THANKYOU!
u know i read the last paragraph and two and im gonna say this, first musluum and islamic people killed off cultures, catholic people killed the indisn, and they did not do it for god, THROUGHOUT HISTORY MAN HAS KILLED IN GODS NAME FOR HIS OWN SELFISH DESIRES! Which is horrible, and also ALOT OF PEOPLE LISTEN TO WHAT EVERYONE SAYS WITHOUT THINKING, WICH IS PROBABLY THESE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO KILL THEMSELVES.
also once again
CHRISTIANITY ISNT EVIL, THE TEXT HAS BEEN ALTERED, ACTUALLY ALOT OF THE VERSIONS HAVE DIFFERENT CHAPTORS, AND WELL MAN CHANGES WORDS FOR STUFF THAT SUITS THERE NEEDS, MAN COULD CONTROL PEOPLE WITH RELIGIONN LIKE WE DO WITH MUSIC AND TV NOW. B UT GOD DIDNT DO THIS WHO DID MAN
ULTIMATELY YOU NEED TO BLAME WHO
MAN!
THANKYOU!
By: jaroddz14
Thats stupid, they know it says in the bible tht people who commit suicide dont see heaven. and it is kinda your last sin . so, yea, idiots. maybe if people would understand the bible instead of just wanting something powerfull to take there pain away all simple like, then things would go right in there religous practices.
Thats stupid, they know it says in the bible tht people who commit suicide dont see heaven. and it is kinda your last sin . so, yea, idiots. maybe if people would understand the bible instead of just wanting something powerfull to take there pain away all simple like, then things would go right in there religous practices.
By: Royce
I don't have time to read all these long comments but I just want to say I agree with you Azure. Although the bible may have some truth and may have one day been a factual document, it's obvious that it has been altered by the will of man for the above purposes and more.
To all the reasonable Christians out there I strongly advise you to not blindly follow what the bible says but instead pick and choose your morals from it that you most agree with, then live your life based on that. God won't reject a truly good person. Remember that.
I don't have time to read all these long comments but I just want to say I agree with you Azure. Although the bible may have some truth and may have one day been a factual document, it's obvious that it has been altered by the will of man for the above purposes and more.
To all the reasonable Christians out there I strongly advise you to not blindly follow what the bible says but instead pick and choose your morals from it that you most agree with, then live your life based on that. God won't reject a truly good person. Remember that.
By: ShadowWalker
There a group in France of over 20,000 who are planning to kill themselves before the 21/12/2012. so sad
There a group in France of over 20,000 who are planning to kill themselves before the 21/12/2012. so sad
By: Skywire4929
That is just... thats just unfair for the kids... why drink poison when made a mistake??? Christianity truly is something to die for.... in the most brutal way...
That is just... thats just unfair for the kids... why drink poison when made a mistake??? Christianity truly is something to die for.... in the most brutal way...
By: AzurePhoenix
Its balts, least i think thats the translation of it.
Basically that slow dancing peoples did in midevil times.
But there is no one way to fix something.
Night.
Its balts, least i think thats the translation of it.
Basically that slow dancing peoples did in midevil times.
But there is no one way to fix something.
Night.
By: It_Ends
That is something I am happy to hear. Unfortunately I have to work (I'm a freelance writer and so far behind on my schedule because of this). Believe me, you will see me around often.
Get your sleep, that is more important than a single debate, especially if you have to practice. If I can ask, what type of dance do you do? I have been meaning to get into dancing (along with so many other art forms), but I have very poor coordination body-wise.
That is something I am happy to hear. Unfortunately I have to work (I'm a freelance writer and so far behind on my schedule because of this). Believe me, you will see me around often.
Get your sleep, that is more important than a single debate, especially if you have to practice. If I can ask, what type of dance do you do? I have been meaning to get into dancing (along with so many other art forms), but I have very poor coordination body-wise.
By: AzurePhoenix
If i am, point it out so we can have a decent debate, I enjoy debates quite much, especially from someone as intelligent as you. Made me respond in ways so that later on they became my weak points :P But I can recover, tho I have to wake up early to practice a dance routine since I am the chanberlain of honor and have to start the dance.
If i am, point it out so we can have a decent debate, I enjoy debates quite much, especially from someone as intelligent as you. Made me respond in ways so that later on they became my weak points :P But I can recover, tho I have to wake up early to practice a dance routine since I am the chanberlain of honor and have to start the dance.
By: It_Ends
I hope you do not consider yourself able to sense emotions, because if so you need to tweak your perceptions. The one-step approach rarely works, and if it does, it takes many more years.
And again there is a problem in logic. Religion unites people, yes, but that is not the only unification people feel. Society, race, gender, and location have all been used at one point or another, generally more than religion.
Also, I am not pulling at thin strings, these are thick and obtrusive ropes. I am frankly surprised no one else is bringing up these blatant flaws.
I hope you do not consider yourself able to sense emotions, because if so you need to tweak your perceptions. The one-step approach rarely works, and if it does, it takes many more years.
And again there is a problem in logic. Religion unites people, yes, but that is not the only unification people feel. Society, race, gender, and location have all been used at one point or another, generally more than religion.
Also, I am not pulling at thin strings, these are thick and obtrusive ropes. I am frankly surprised no one else is bringing up these blatant flaws.
By: AzurePhoenix
Beating someONE to deat, religion unites many people to kill many others.
Because changing human nature would fix the problem, but i don't have the sufficient funds, nor know enough of the right people, nor have much of a drive to do so. Heck if I could fix it, it would have been fixed many times ago, also we have to fix this one step at a time. I am being trying to be smart about it.
You seem to be pulling on lots of thin strings trying to get at me. Am I irritating or causing strong emotional reponses from you?
Beating someONE to deat, religion unites many people to kill many others.
Because changing human nature would fix the problem, but i don't have the sufficient funds, nor know enough of the right people, nor have much of a drive to do so. Heck if I could fix it, it would have been fixed many times ago, also we have to fix this one step at a time. I am being trying to be smart about it.
You seem to be pulling on lots of thin strings trying to get at me. Am I irritating or causing strong emotional reponses from you?
By: It_Ends
If you disagree with easy interpretations, than why do you still support the easier version of taking away weapons?
"What would I gain blaming human nature that is incredibly difficult to change?"
Yes, it is incredibly difficult to change. Hence, not easy. Do not pretend to support an idea you just earlier dismissed.
You are also playing the numbers game.
"With guns you can kill many, without it it only takes 1 or more people than you to kill you."
People are people, not numbers and statistics. Humans will kill without weapons, as they have for years. Beating something to death isn't a difficult procedure for someone who is motivated.
If you disagree with easy interpretations, than why do you still support the easier version of taking away weapons?
"What would I gain blaming human nature that is incredibly difficult to change?"
Yes, it is incredibly difficult to change. Hence, not easy. Do not pretend to support an idea you just earlier dismissed.
You are also playing the numbers game.
"With guns you can kill many, without it it only takes 1 or more people than you to kill you."
People are people, not numbers and statistics. Humans will kill without weapons, as they have for years. Beating something to death isn't a difficult procedure for someone who is motivated.
By: AzurePhoenix
Better hands then armies, better hands than guns. With guns you can kill many, without it it only takes 1 or more people than you to kill you. Look at the incident in norway, one man did that with gun and a religion.
Religion is easy power. A gun is easy power.
We can't have short cuts and easy explainations in life, because they are easier to misinterpret and corrupt. If its hard to kill someone most won't bother to kill someone.
Better hands then armies, better hands than guns. With guns you can kill many, without it it only takes 1 or more people than you to kill you. Look at the incident in norway, one man did that with gun and a religion.
Religion is easy power. A gun is easy power.
We can't have short cuts and easy explainations in life, because they are easier to misinterpret and corrupt. If its hard to kill someone most won't bother to kill someone.
By: It_Ends
If you get rid of the corrupted tool, then people will fight with their bare hands. It doesn't matter how poor something is at fighting, they will fight if all you do is take away their tools.
Also, human nature can be changed, and has been. Society is mostly the blame of this for many reasons, and these changes have become worse as time progresses. By the way, I mean society in the way of millions of people being forced to live around each other and everything else that build up entails.
If you get rid of the corrupted tool, then people will fight with their bare hands. It doesn't matter how poor something is at fighting, they will fight if all you do is take away their tools.
Also, human nature can be changed, and has been. Society is mostly the blame of this for many reasons, and these changes have become worse as time progresses. By the way, I mean society in the way of millions of people being forced to live around each other and everything else that build up entails.
By: AzurePhoenix
Science is as much of an art as paintings and have both been limited and held back by christianity. What would I gain blaming human nature that is incredibly difficult to change? Religions come and go slowly. Human nature will always be with us until we stop being humans. Take the tool that has been misused so its harder for us to do organized harm. Humans are so bad at fighting it actually became an evolucionary advantage. People had to really think in the past to be able to hurt each other. So all i want to get rid of is a corrupted tool.
Science is as much of an art as paintings and have both been limited and held back by christianity. What would I gain blaming human nature that is incredibly difficult to change? Religions come and go slowly. Human nature will always be with us until we stop being humans. Take the tool that has been misused so its harder for us to do organized harm. Humans are so bad at fighting it actually became an evolucionary advantage. People had to really think in the past to be able to hurt each other. So all i want to get rid of is a corrupted tool.
By: It_Ends
Your words leave little interpretation for believing that other religions can be at fault for the similar behavior.
As for your other note, about blaming the tool instead of human nature. Here, we come to the thought of easiness. At its core, is this any different from following a religion? People follow religion because it is easy, and you are doing the same thing.
Taking the easy path has damaged humanity much more than Christianity could ever hope to.
I also do not understand why you are bringing up how Christianity slowed down science. There is no parallel between my comment about science and your own. This is like me saying that I like cookies and you saying a box of cookies comes with 20 cookies. While the thought is on the same subject, they do not logically connect.
Your words leave little interpretation for believing that other religions can be at fault for the similar behavior.
As for your other note, about blaming the tool instead of human nature. Here, we come to the thought of easiness. At its core, is this any different from following a religion? People follow religion because it is easy, and you are doing the same thing.
Taking the easy path has damaged humanity much more than Christianity could ever hope to.
I also do not understand why you are bringing up how Christianity slowed down science. There is no parallel between my comment about science and your own. This is like me saying that I like cookies and you saying a box of cookies comes with 20 cookies. While the thought is on the same subject, they do not logically connect.
By: AzurePhoenix
Also my so called faults in my words, are just your far off interpretations. You just assumed I said a lot of things.
Also my so called faults in my words, are just your far off interpretations. You just assumed I said a lot of things.
By: AzurePhoenix
Also yeah, christianity also slowed down science by about 300 years :P
It made rules and if you went out of the bounds of the rules you were killed, mr. galileo was quite lucky he had the right friends so we have his discoveries to this day.
Also yeah, christianity also slowed down science by about 300 years :P
It made rules and if you went out of the bounds of the rules you were killed, mr. galileo was quite lucky he had the right friends so we have his discoveries to this day.
By: AzurePhoenix
Also you misread my words, I don't believe I ever said its the only religion, just the one that's most known.
Also its easier to blame the tool rather than human nature. Just like guns, guns arn't bad but the people who use them wrongly. Guns and religion are tools that can be used in dynamic and terrible ways.
Also you misread my words, I don't believe I ever said its the only religion, just the one that's most known.
Also its easier to blame the tool rather than human nature. Just like guns, guns arn't bad but the people who use them wrongly. Guns and religion are tools that can be used in dynamic and terrible ways.
By: It_Ends
EDIT
I did not see your comment about people being burned. Here is yet another problem with your synopsis of Christianity being evil.
Christianity did not burn those people. Christianity itself is a concept, that is like saying that love or anger burned those people. Instead, Christians, or people who believe in Christianity, did that. Again, we go back to people.
EDIT
I did not see your comment about people being burned. Here is yet another problem with your synopsis of Christianity being evil.
Christianity did not burn those people. Christianity itself is a concept, that is like saying that love or anger burned those people. Instead, Christians, or people who believe in Christianity, did that. Again, we go back to people.
By: It_Ends
There is fault on your description about Christianity's inspiring of art. Many writers, painters, woodcarvers, etc found the confines of Christianity a prison. While the works may be beautiful, beauty and craftsmanship is hardly the merit of true art, which touches the soul.
Now, as for Christianity itself inspiring hatred and murder, that is another problem. The book itself does not advocate these beliefs. Rather, it is people who took these words and warped them which created the need for killing.
Not only that, but to say that Christianity is the only religion that people have used to justify murder is a sheer fallacy of logic, and I am surprised you would make one of this magnitude. Every religion has inspired death on the mind's level and the body's level, and one can even go so far to say that all religions are a recipe of destruction.
However, what it comes down to is the perception and warping of religion that creates these problems. That is to say, people are the problem. People enwrapped within the throes of religion and ecstasy.
Now, what is my point? My point is that it isn't Christianity that is the problem, it's the people following it. People create their own path and their own thoughts.
Few people blame science for war, but Christianity can easily (and is often) claimed as the reason for many wars and death. This is like saying that Hitler was worse than Stalin. It is very easy to do because society has accepted that idea. However, on the moral, philosophical, and murdering level, Stalin was much worse.
There is fault on your description about Christianity's inspiring of art. Many writers, painters, woodcarvers, etc found the confines of Christianity a prison. While the works may be beautiful, beauty and craftsmanship is hardly the merit of true art, which touches the soul.
Now, as for Christianity itself inspiring hatred and murder, that is another problem. The book itself does not advocate these beliefs. Rather, it is people who took these words and warped them which created the need for killing.
Not only that, but to say that Christianity is the only religion that people have used to justify murder is a sheer fallacy of logic, and I am surprised you would make one of this magnitude. Every religion has inspired death on the mind's level and the body's level, and one can even go so far to say that all religions are a recipe of destruction.
However, what it comes down to is the perception and warping of religion that creates these problems. That is to say, people are the problem. People enwrapped within the throes of religion and ecstasy.
Now, what is my point? My point is that it isn't Christianity that is the problem, it's the people following it. People create their own path and their own thoughts.
Few people blame science for war, but Christianity can easily (and is often) claimed as the reason for many wars and death. This is like saying that Hitler was worse than Stalin. It is very easy to do because society has accepted that idea. However, on the moral, philosophical, and murdering level, Stalin was much worse.
By: AzurePhoenix
@It_Ends: Its history is what I have a problem with. Christianity has inspired many incredible works of arts, but it has inspired much much worse. Also what exactly is your point? Christianity is bashed on a lot for good reason, and it seems i made an error, it has killed HUNDREDS of millions of people.
@It_Ends: Its history is what I have a problem with. Christianity has inspired many incredible works of arts, but it has inspired much much worse. Also what exactly is your point? Christianity is bashed on a lot for good reason, and it seems i made an error, it has killed HUNDREDS of millions of people.
By: AzurePhoenix
The thing I don't understand is WHY you are a christian besides the fact that you were told by your parents that it is the true religion?
Why do you believe in something that has caused most of the terrors in the world?
They slaughtered millions of people, how can a religion in its begginnings be right after it has done that and much more?
A month ago 5 people in africa were burned alive for not being christian and the video was posted on youtube.
The thing I don't understand is WHY you are a christian besides the fact that you were told by your parents that it is the true religion?
Why do you believe in something that has caused most of the terrors in the world?
They slaughtered millions of people, how can a religion in its begginnings be right after it has done that and much more?
A month ago 5 people in africa were burned alive for not being christian and the video was posted on youtube.
By: It_Ends
A common occurrence on websites like this is the bashing of Christianity. Let's go back into the past to get a better view of what is really so good and about Christianity.
Our starting point is Egypt, during the time of pharaohs. At this time, the pharaoh believe himself to be a god, and the peasants followed suit with this idea. While the message is similar to the one you are depicting, it is somewhat tweaked. You are to work hard for your god/pharaoh without any expectations of your own, because god stands before you and commands you directly.
As many know, those of the Jewish faith were among the slaves popularly used to build pyramids. However, their faith differed much from the Egyptian one. While few people realize it, Judaism actually rebelled the Egyptian faith.
Whereas the Egyptians believed that god was in human form until his death, the Jewish slaves said their god was in the sky. His will is unreachable and unfathomable, unlike the corrupt and power-mongering pharaohs.
Thus we zoom forward to the delineated version of Judaism, Christianity. In its humble beginnings, Christianity took on a more Gnostic approach and featured many teachings that Jesus learned from Buddhism. It is speculated that Jesus was a Buddhist monk at one point, and it shows in many of the early philosophies that were lated removed.
For example, the "Golden Rule" is little more than Karma. Reincarnation is a prevalent theme, and was included for all people, not just Jesus. Christianity, in these early roots, also started as a rebellion to many of the then-current philosophies. It is after this point, when others meddled with these original messages, that Christianity can be perceived as a problem. The stories in Christianity are really nothing more than a hodge-podge of other religions smashed together. For example, if one reads the story of Jesus and Krishna, there are very obvious parallels. Their eschatology and monotheistic beliefs can also be traced, almost exactly, to similar ideas held in the oft considered monotheistic originator: Zoroastrianism. In the end, Christianity itself is not to blame for the failings of people. It is their own fault. The bearded man in the sky does not control humanity or any other creature, and by this merit alone Christianity should be exonerated, because it is people that warp many of the good teachings and turn it into a meaningless indoctrination that fails to truly grasp or understand the teachings of this manual.
A common occurrence on websites like this is the bashing of Christianity. Let's go back into the past to get a better view of what is really so good and about Christianity.
Our starting point is Egypt, during the time of pharaohs. At this time, the pharaoh believe himself to be a god, and the peasants followed suit with this idea. While the message is similar to the one you are depicting, it is somewhat tweaked. You are to work hard for your god/pharaoh without any expectations of your own, because god stands before you and commands you directly.
As many know, those of the Jewish faith were among the slaves popularly used to build pyramids. However, their faith differed much from the Egyptian one. While few people realize it, Judaism actually rebelled the Egyptian faith.
Whereas the Egyptians believed that god was in human form until his death, the Jewish slaves said their god was in the sky. His will is unreachable and unfathomable, unlike the corrupt and power-mongering pharaohs.
Thus we zoom forward to the delineated version of Judaism, Christianity. In its humble beginnings, Christianity took on a more Gnostic approach and featured many teachings that Jesus learned from Buddhism. It is speculated that Jesus was a Buddhist monk at one point, and it shows in many of the early philosophies that were lated removed.
For example, the "Golden Rule" is little more than Karma. Reincarnation is a prevalent theme, and was included for all people, not just Jesus. Christianity, in these early roots, also started as a rebellion to many of the then-current philosophies. It is after this point, when others meddled with these original messages, that Christianity can be perceived as a problem. The stories in Christianity are really nothing more than a hodge-podge of other religions smashed together. For example, if one reads the story of Jesus and Krishna, there are very obvious parallels. Their eschatology and monotheistic beliefs can also be traced, almost exactly, to similar ideas held in the oft considered monotheistic originator: Zoroastrianism. In the end, Christianity itself is not to blame for the failings of people. It is their own fault. The bearded man in the sky does not control humanity or any other creature, and by this merit alone Christianity should be exonerated, because it is people that warp many of the good teachings and turn it into a meaningless indoctrination that fails to truly grasp or understand the teachings of this manual.
By: dpsionic
true but some christians like me aint like that
i believe all religions are good exept the ones that worship evil spirits and want to kill people
true but some christians like me aint like that
i believe all religions are good exept the ones that worship evil spirits and want to kill people
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