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Dethroning A Famous Skeptic
This article was written by shade000 on 2012-01-18 under Member Pages.
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My take on telekinesis, the scams that promote it, whether or not I think it's real, and other things.
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Paul Weathers They knew you were gonna post thisDecember 3, 2011 at 11:58pm · -
Teale Britstra Some people need to telekinetically open a book and get a real education. It's sad that people actually suggest you needed to devote more than three years of your life to learn how to move small objects with your mind, when I can achieve it in like 0 seconds flat using my hand. Derps.December 4, 2011 at 12:04am · ·
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Paul Weathers RAmen. When I read these posts I get the battle of the minds scene from Dinner for Schmucks in my headDecember 4, 2011 at 12:08am · · 1
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Rebecca Bentley ha ha this is soo funny. i can smash glasses and take control of minds(shame i have to many under my control)Yesterday at 12:22am · -
Brandon Barnes The real shame are the ignorant ones who have no proof against something, but still deny it anyways simply because they don't believe. Well, I've seen my proof. Sucks for you that you don't.Yesterday at 5:54am · -
Enotomobonato LeafbugSo you are saying we are spammers?What do you think we would do that for?Ive been practicing psionics for two years and i still dont have telekinesis.And Teale Britstra its called get your head out of your ass and see that another culture t...See MoreYesterday at 6:33am · -
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Enotomobonato Leafbug No serously making fun a culture is low even for kids like yourselfs19 hours ago ·
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Chattiestspike2I'm not making fun of a culture. I was stating a point that telekinesis is not possible and has not been proven or supported in any way by any kind of scientific studies. It's not my fault of there's a 'culture' of people who believe in uns...See More17 hours ago ·
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Riley Dart Really, nothing paranormal exists? The government already knows , your just so slow in learning that your going in reverse, visit the verse sometimes , it's great fun.
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Henri Alphonse1: Russia and America had and continue through this day to have a private part in its military for training psychic soldiers.
2: Science cannot explain why bikes stay balanced when we ride them.
3: Science doesn't even know what makes Ic...See More
www.dailymail.co.ukA series of intriguing experiments show that people can 'see' events hundreds of...See More17 hours ago · -
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Martin Herold'2: Science cannot explain why bikes stay balanced when we ride them.
3: Science doesn't even know what makes Ice slippery, so before you talk shit upon our culture due to sciences ignorance and blindness on the subject then look at all t...See More16 hours ago · -
Chattiestspike2 Of course they don't know physics... look what premise they are defending lol15 hours ago ·
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Henri Alphonse Its going to be even funnier when you do research and know im correct :P15 hours ago ·
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Henri Alphonse So the crazy man, does know more physics and science then the supposed skeptics.15 hours ago ·
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Martin Herold I did physics in 12th-14th grade. Yes, we know damn well how bikes stay balanced and what makes ice slippery.15 hours ago ·
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Jason Constantas Actually, they have made bicycles that have counter rotating gyroscopes to cancel out the centripetal force. And the bikes still stayed balanced.14 hours ago · · 2 -
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Henri Alphonse Well I guess you did not pay enough attention Martin. I'm In highschool and I know that.
Also its all theory on why ice is slippery actually.
Ask any scientist and they will tell you they do not fully know why it is slippery.14 hours ago · -
Jason Constantas What religion are you? I could go and say 'Christianity is fake' because there is no proof. But for some reason most of the world believes in it. Including me.14 hours ago ·
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Todd Kaminski Everyone knows that ice is slippery because the aliens made it that way. DUH!10 hours ago · -
Jason Constantas Go look up Masaru Emoto He found that thoughts, yes human thoughts can change the way water crystallizes.4 hours ago ·
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Henri AlphonseHow very ignorant of you.
You just want to hate everything you do not know or believe in.
Infact I do not believe you have practiced any of that for 3 years, its the internet its very easy to lie, but you seem like you did a month of resear...See More
bicycle.tudelft.nlIntro: This work started in the Fall of 2002 when I came to Cornell to have my s...See More2 hours ago · -
Viktor ParlovAllow me to offer scientific proof of noetic sciences. I am indeed qualified to speak on the subject, because I am a quantum physicist. Lets start, shall we? The human body produces a bioelectric field...the 'aura' mentioned on psionic websites. You challenge the existence of the bioelectric field, or 'aura'? It is empirically evidenced by the electroreception organs within sharks, and certain other chordatans, commonly known as Ampullae of Lorenzini. Now, what does this mean? The human 'aura' (and we do have one, as shown above), is composed of, naturally, electrons. How do electrons work? What makes them tick, as it were? They work through the electromagnetic force, as any physics student knows. How does this relate to psionics? Quite simple. Magnetism itself is produced by the motion of electrons at a subatomic scale. Because an atom is 99% empty space, the whole reason anything exists is because of two factors-the strong nuclear force, and the electromagnetic force. The strong nuclear force keeps the atoms together. The electromagnetic force creates the repulsing force that causes you to feel objects as solid. Now, what does this mean? It means there are particles surrounding all living things, those particles have electromagnetic repulsing fields, interacting with the atoms around them. Thus, logically, it is possible to use these electrons and the forces behind them, to influence 'solid' objects. This is the 'energy' that is referred to. How is it controlled, you may ask? It is controlled through brainwaves, which produce their OWN field. This is proven every time you get a CAT scan-the brain produces its own EM field, which overlaps with the 'aura'. Thus, due to the overlap, by changing your brainwaves in such a way as to influence the EM field around you, this results in the ability to channel the naturally occuring EM field around all beings. This is the science behind TK and other so called 'psionic skills'.13 minutes ago · -
Viktor Parlov If you would like to 'come against' what I have said, feel free, I shall gladly prove you wrong.11 minutes ago ·
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Viktor ParlovOn January 29th, 2005, we were talking about the James Randi $1 Million Paranormal Challenge in the chat room. If you don't know what the Challenge is, the short version is that this ex-magician, James Randi, is willing to give a million dollars to anyone who can prove something paranormal. It's common for people to ask us why we don't take the Challenge with all the stuff we talk about on PsiPog. Clearly we qualify for the paranormal, and it would seem like easy money. While talking in the chat room, annie made the observation that the prize was in the form of bonds, and not cash. She tried to explain to me how bonds can be 'worth' a million dollars legally, but in reality could be completely worthless.
So I decided to do some research on what might be going on. I had thought about taking the Challenge, and I know some of my friends have thought about it too... million bucks seems pretty sweet. But I've heard of stories about how Randi is dishonest, and it's all a scam. Either way, I figured researching would be the best way to figure out what the deal was.
I started by e-mailing Randi, and everything just went downhill from there. For me to type out everything that happened, it would take me forever, and it would be really boring to read. So this is what I'm going to do; I'm going to summarize what happened. Now obviously I am biased because I played a key role in this situation. I will try to summarize without being biased. But, you don't have to trust me... I will post the logs of what actually happened at the end, and if you want to take the time to read through it all and confirm my summary, then go right ahead. Also, because I am aware that I am biased, I am open for any discussion and questions on what happened. The best way to get in contact with me would be the chat room, the Q&A, or as a last resort, you can e-mail me at peebrain@psipog.net.
What is a bond, and why is it different than cash?
First, you have to understand how bonds work. I was really confused at first - I mean, if Randi is offering a million dollars, how can it be 'worthless'? It seems very clear cut.
Bonds are certificates of debt. That means that a bond is basically an IOU. Corporations or governments need money to fund projects, so they go to rich people and say, 'hey, give us some money, and we'll pay you some interest, and then after a while, we'll give you all your money back'.
Bonds have four key elements: who issued them, what the interest rate is, when they'll give the money back, and how much money was borrowed to begin with. The best way to show how it works is just to give you an example. Let's say Bob's Bakery needs some money to buy baking equipment. Now, once they have the equipment, they can bake and make money - but they don't have any startup money to get the gears in motion. So they go to a rich guy and say, 'Hey, if you give us $10,000, we'll pay you $100 every month for 24 months, then we'll give you your $10,000 back to you'. This is appealing to Bob's Bakery because they can get their company started, and once it gets going, they'll start making money. From their profits, they'll take $100 each month and give it to the rich guy. Then after 24 months, they have a successful business, and pay the entire debt back to the rich guy. Bob's Baker keeps growing and making more money, and Bob is happy. The rich guy is also happy, because he just gives $10,000 to Bob, and doesn't have to do anything. The rich guy doesn't have to bake, or buy equipment, or hire employees, or any of that garbage. He just invests a small amount of his money, and in return gets $100 more a month, and all his money back after 24 months.
So, that's why and how bonds exist. Rich people want more money, and poor entrepreneurs want a successful business. (Of course, I'm simplifying this entire situation just to get the point across; in reality it's a little more complicated).
How can bonds be legally worth money, but be worthless?
Where is the problem? Well, what if Bob's Baker doesn't succeed, and goes bankrupt? What happens to the $10,000? Basically: it's lost. Rich guy doesn't get his $100 a month, and rich guy loses out on $10,000.
How does this all translate to the James Randi Million Dollar Challenge? The prize isn't cash. The prize is bonds that are WORTH a million dollars. So, there are a lot of Bob's Baker people running around with the money, and they all gave Randi an IOU. And all these IOU's total to a million dollars.
Since the prize money is in the form of bonds, then it is possible that the bonds are worthless. For example, maybe a lot of the bonds are from corporations that are on the verge of going bankrupt? Or maybe the corporations don't have to pay off the bonds for another 40 years? In our example, Bob had to pay everything back in 24 months... this is called the 'maturity' of the bond. Some bonds don't mature for a few years, others don't mature for a few decades. If Randi awards the prize of a bond that doesn't mature for 40 years, then legally I do have a million dollars... but I can't USE the million dollars until the bonds mature! As you can see, there are a lot of different scenarios where the bonds could be LEGALLY worth a million dollars, but in reality they could be worthless.7 minutes ago ·
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By: Duke - 2012-01-19 01:07:17
poor guy. little did he know he was going to be hammered. personally, i think he has just as much right to believe something as we. try not to bother him too much :P
poor guy. little did he know he was going to be hammered. personally, i think he has just as much right to believe something as we. try not to bother him too much :P
By: horsyqueen - 2012-01-18 23:15:55
i remeber a sceptic on skype i scared him off. i rpg hugged him tooo much ha ha ha lol
i remeber a sceptic on skype i scared him off. i rpg hugged him tooo much ha ha ha lol
By: Okand - 2012-01-18 23:02:19
The joy in my eyes 8D skeptics are soooooooooo blind I just adore them!!
The joy in my eyes 8D skeptics are soooooooooo blind I just adore them!!
By: RavenArrow - 2012-01-18 20:29:48
The emasculate douchebag obviously want you to continue arguing.
The emasculate douchebag obviously want you to continue arguing.
By: Spiderdude - 2012-01-18 20:01:13
He has sleepless nights due to his nightmares and his shaven beard suggests his girlfriend is high matienence, and doesnt like his beard that's why he shaved it........ I try to think like Sherlock Homes. Lol
He has sleepless nights due to his nightmares and his shaven beard suggests his girlfriend is high matienence, and doesnt like his beard that's why he shaved it........ I try to think like Sherlock Homes. Lol
By: UMADBRO - 2012-01-18 19:37:15
Pwned.
I like how after AzurePhoenix and Shade commented the most recent times, not a single one of the opposing side has commented back.
Pwned.
I like how after AzurePhoenix and Shade commented the most recent times, not a single one of the opposing side has commented back.
By: shade000 - 2012-01-18 18:02:17
Just posted a link to the argument on Psion Guild's site as well. Let the celebration begin :D
Just posted a link to the argument on Psion Guild's site as well. Let the celebration begin :D
By: shade000 - 2012-01-18 17:45:34
Just posted my proof paragraph on his Public Figure page on Facebook, with an audience of several hundred :D This should be interesting, to see the response it gets.
Just posted my proof paragraph on his Public Figure page on Facebook, with an audience of several hundred :D This should be interesting, to see the response it gets.
By: shade000 - 2012-01-18 17:33:17
I hate people who try to mock the noetic sciences. Therefore, I have cut the legs out from underneath a famous YouTube TK basher >:)
I hate people who try to mock the noetic sciences. Therefore, I have cut the legs out from underneath a famous YouTube TK basher >:)
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